How do catholics get saved
That nowhere near covers the entire Bible. I would hope that we could end this and just agree to disagree. I beg you both to let the discussion end and part for neither is going to convince the other…please for the sake of Christian charity Rom Thank you both.
Very very interesting. Every Catholic should read it. Iam a Catholic and I go to church every Sunday and also walk into the church to pray durning the week after work. I also attend Aposlic Christan Church at times. I read the bible almost everynight and I do pray throughout the day. I think if a person receives Christ in his life and he or she is total given into Christ, And having a relationship with Christ..
Then that person is saved with Christ.. And being baptize as well. Godbless all those who seek Christ….. What will happen when the pope that is resigning dies? I really need an answer on this one!! Please help!! There is nothing in the Bible about there being only one grave left. I am only seeing what the Bible teaches.
Do you have a church home? If so, talk to your pastor about this. Trust Christ today and you will receive eternal life. But all believers are one so a non catholic that gets to heaven will probably realize thier errors of not following the true church. Adam, this will be my only post to you as you argue rather you are right or wrong. Jesus did not start the Catholic Church and peter was never a pope. None of it is in the Bible. If there was a first church, it is certainly the Baptist church.
They live and teach the worship of Jesus Chris ignoring all the idiocy of the Catholic Church. As for Mary. Go ahead, let your head explode, you will not get reply from this truth teller. The Catholic Church was formed by Jesus and the apostles. In fact, Peter was the first pope. Does there need to be any arguments further than that on who is right or wrong? No it does not. In fact Jesus tells John the Baptist to calm down at a point. Also, Chick Publications is well known for their anti-Catholic rhetoric so they are obviously a credible source for this question.
If You believe in Christ, you know of his forgiveness of sins, saved by grace, you know why he died. God bless. No church of any kind, no pipes, no pedophiles, no in-the-closet confessions, no bowing to idols or crossing yourself, no stations of prayer no catechism. Read the Bible, even the corrupted catholic bible. So no need to hang around with pedophiles. Just find Christ and then be with Christians. If you afirm that you are a true christian and you bow before an idols the image of mary or any saints , pray to God through mary which is contrary to the word of God you are an antichrist.
Sometime the truth may hurt but if it is accepted with humility the holy spirit will do his finish and perfert work in such life. Those who follow the pope and do those that are contrary to what is written in the bible are not true believer and may not make it to heaven if they die.
My Friend just because the catholics pray differently than you do does not mean they are the antichrist. I suggest you do more research before making an accusation like that. The definition of A Christian is a Jesus Follower. Did it occur to you that many Christian Religions broke off Catholicism?
Probably not since you blindly made that accusation. I would highly recommend you actually take time to do more research by maybe talking to a catholic priest. By the way maybe you should stop judging other peoples beliefs based off of your beliefs because other people might do the same thing with your choice of religion.
I am not sure i am completly understanding your article here. They admit their sin. They believe the Holy Spirit comes in them, etc. I would love to hear your response. Thank you for addressing the topic and openly allowing conversation.
Thank you Kelsey for your comment. I think we are in agreement…there are Catholics who call themselves Catholics that are not saved and some that are….
Only God knows with certainty. Not one of us have perfect understanding and even in the church that I pastor at, I am sure I make mistakes too but I believe as long as we put our trust in Christ that He was sinless and dies for our sins so that we might have eternal life, we can be saved…even though we still do things contrary to being saved by faith alone in Christ alone.
Jack, the issue is, with all the false teaching the cc does, it would be a true miracle if any of them are born again. Surely you cannot expect anyone to believe any good comes from this corrupt orginization. Drake, yes, they have some doctrinal errors, no doubt, but no Christian has all truth and we are still learning. I am convinced that there will be many Catholics in the Kingdom of Heaven because they trust in the Lord Jesus Christ to save them and have repented of their sins and put their trust in Christ and we are saved by faith and even if we have some things we are wrong about, God still saves us who have no perfect understanding of all things.
But I do believe a very small percentage of who could be saved will be saved. These life long church going, sweet and lovable people died without knowing if they were going to heaven. Last year I had the privilege of leading a life long Charismatic to Christ. He is now a Baptist and no longer believes he can lose his salvation. I notice in this thread those who talk about Catholics seem to refer to the Roman Catholic Church. There are several Catholic Churches, the Eastern Catholic Churches do not believe the Pope is any more than a Bishop and do not believe he is infallible.
The main difference between Orthodox and Roman Catholics is the assignment of a Pope and the manuscripts which they use for the Bible. The version of the manuscripts used gives rise to the difference in the role of Marry as certain manuscripts I believe have a feminine word used to describe the savior. Christians who criticism the sacraments that Catholics undertake should understand that Jesus undertook a sacrament in baptism.
Sacraments are as I see them reminders or symbolic rituals that help church members in observing and remembering the spiritual. It is interesting that if you look deep into RC doctrine that they do acknowledge that baptism can be performed by a person who is not a priest or bishop should one who is ordained not be available.
I find it surprising that non catholic Christians would ever proud and arrogant to claim that they know on mass that all Catholics are condemned. To stand in judgement when we have imperfect knowledge is indeed unwise given Christs admonition not to judge incorrectly for with that judgement you judge ye shall be judged.
I do not see the sacraments of the Catholic Churches removing belief in Christ, but enhancing and ingraining it in peoples lives. All the sacraments are symbolic even the confessional. Thank you Mr. I agree, we should not be criticizing Catholics or condemning them. These are fellow heirs according to the faith and the saints of God as much as Protestant churches are. We are all part of the Body of Christ, the church. We may not agree on everything but we agree on the main things.
Thank you sir for your comment. May God bless you, your loved ones, your congregation, all followers of Christ, and those yet to know His love!! This article and the comment section particularly could prove to be such a bright light for Christ amidst an ocean of filth that we find online.
It is truly apparent that you and most of the commentors are full of His love and a genuine desire to co-exist with all denominations of Christianity. God has blessed me so abundantly here in this life, far Howefewan my sinful self deserves. He has given me the great grace of knowing Him and seeking His will in my life.
A year and a half ago, he brought into my life a beautiful, God-fearing, imperfect but perfect for me! We have recently become engaged and place Christ first, second and third in our lives. She works for a nearby Catholic Diocese and has much education in our faith. Sorry if this seems like meaningless dabble, I assure you it is relevant. Our relationship more specifically our mutual praise and worship of Our Lord has driven me deeper and deeper in the Catholic faith.
By His grace, we will marry in August of this year, and embark on a married life given to Him. As it is not my prerogative to take offense and certainly not to give any , I will refrain from delving into many stances with which I am in disagreement.
However, I will make exception for a few of the more significant ones in my mind. First and foremost, I will start by saying that the tremendous amount of anti-Catholic rhetoric present in our society American and global does get quite tiring. It seems to me that there are many misconceptions, even blatant flat-out lies being spread about the Catholic faith.
Being a recent revert to the Catholic Church, I have had a good deal of exposure to other denominations specifically while I finished my tour of active duty in the Marines, doing much soul and faith searching. In my estimation, Protestant faiths place a larger emphasis on the filial aspect of the Trinity, while Catholicism focuses more on Christ and His relationship with His church. Although if you follow along with the Mass, all three persons of the Trinity receive notable emphasis.
So, YES…. Secondly, and this my own reasonable assumption with a prayerful and discerning spirit , that it is NOT faith alone that assures our salvation. My apologies if I offend or upset anyone as I make this opinion also that of the Catholic Church. I beg you to not immediately tune out my reasoning, and proceed with an open-mind and discerning spirit. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. It is by the grace of God alone that we are called to faith.
However, equally important is what we DO with that faith. Sins of commissions are those we actively partake in, whereas sins of omission are sins against our Lord by blatantly choosing to not take advantage of opportunities to do good that He places before us.
I have trouble believing that God totally disregards good that one may do here on this earth. Not to judge them…for there is only one judge…merely observant. So…it is my opinion, that faith and works a life striving for, but never attaining, a sinless life while relying on His grace to continually change us for the better. He gave us free-will to determine who truly loves Him. There is no component of free-will in salvation to all granted the GIFT of faith.
Many will abuse this gift of grace, and thus suffer his condemnation. Pastor Wellman…I present to you and all those interested a challenge. Follow along in the Missallette as it walks you through the Mass. This time will help you to better relate to Catholicism, see the beauty of the Mass, and more completely see Catholics and Protestants as brothers and sisters in Christ.
I have to say that it is not out of pride or happiness I would say a Catholic can be seen as different from a Christian. It is of course because of what is taught in each church. But many of the things taught in the Catholic Church are not only not found in the bible but they are quite heretical. Such as much of what is taught about Mary. It is not believed solely because of what is said in the bible. She is elevated to a position she should not be and she is dishonored in doing so and so is Jesus.
What I say of course is an opinion backed by certain evidence, but I find the evidence that backs the Catholic view of Mary to be quite lacking and to not be of trustworthy sources. And their interpretation of the bible on these matters seems more to be an attempt to support a view they already had rather than trying to figure out what the bible has to say for itself.
I respect much of what my ex girlfriend who is Catholic believes, but I believe she is deeply in error in parts such as these because she accepts the Catholic tradition in belief to be correct. She of course has evidence she believes to support her views but it follows along with Catholic tradition which can be riddled with errors due to the sinfulness of man.
I choose to place my faith on the infallible word of God alone because it can be trusted and is sufficient to teach me what I need to learn, and it says otherwise that would the Catholic Church. My response to you: 1. It IS the Word of God. John, actually goes out of his way to state the opposite in Revelation, saying that much more could have been written solely on Christ.
The Truth was conveyed through oral tradition! So the Bible simply cannot be the sole means God chooses to give us His truth! He claims they were not divinely inspired. He also tried having the letter of James and Revelation removed!
Conveniently enough, they were directly opposing many of his heretical teachings!! There are additional books in the Catholic Bible not because we added them, but because the reformers removed them! We ask our Father to unite our will to his Son's, in order to fulfill his will, his plan of salvation for the life of the world. We are radically incapable of this, but united with Jesus and with the power of his Holy Spirit, we can surrender our will to him and decide to choose what his Son has always chosen: to do what is pleasing to the Father.
Does anyone believe a person could be saved without loving God? Yet loving God and obeying him are expressed as equivalent in I John 5. Jesus did not come to abolish the law -- he came to fulfill it, to make it fully what God intended, and to equip us to live these commands in grace and in justice. The Catechism speaks movingly of the Ten Commandments and at great length. There is reciprocity here, inasmuch as action molds character and character produces action -- there is a tendency to become what we do, so part of the process of becoming like Jesus is to do the things he did.
I want to be very careful here -- the analogy is to the conduct of humans, not the conduct of God. If the Israelites in Egypt had argued that they believed and loved God -- that they had full faith in his will and his power to deliver them from Egyptian bondage -- that they would never base their understanding of his deliverance salvation of a very tangible sort!
If omitting obedience causes deliverance from the Angel of Death salvation to be omitted also, then how can it be the physical obedience has no connection to the deliverance salvation? As Catholics whose faith is centered in Him, we can appreciate their good intentions and admire their willingness to talk about God.
Even so, we may have trouble understanding what their question is really all about. Most often, Christians with this query view salvation as a past event that took place when they made a confession of faith in Jesus as Savior and Lord. This act of faith, they believe, now guarantees them a place in heaven, no matter what they may do for the rest of their lives. They will never have to face the punishment of hell for their sins.
The teaching of the Catholic Church helps us understand that this is actually a mistaken notion of salvation. Jesus Christ came to give us much more than a kind of eternal fire insurance policy. If we want to follow up on that statement, we can assure the inquirer that we do in fact have faith in Jesus Christ, that we recognize Him as our Savior and Lord, and that our goal is to be counted one day among the saints in heaven.
But why end the discussion there? If you want to take it a step farther, try this approach. God created us for Himself, for nothing less than to know, love, serve and enjoy Him — now and forever. The life, death and resurrection of Jesus offer us, through the forgiveness of our sins, escape from eternal punishment.
He also reconciles us to God, opening the door to a full restoration of our friendship with Him. To save us, He remakes us in His likeness — a lifelong process requiring our cooperation — so that we can once again think and love as He thinks and loves. This process finds its completion only in heaven, where eternal life is enjoyed in perfect harmony with Him. Those who are joined there with God forever in the deepest possible communion of love will achieve their greatest destiny.
They will fulfill their deepest longing. They will become what they were made to be. That ship is now taking us to a safe harbor — our home in heaven with God. Meanwhile, we also must recognize the sobering possibility that — God forbid — we could choose someday to jump overboard again. So we still have the ability to turn away from God again.
In fact, we make choices every day that draw us closer to God or lead us farther away from Him.
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